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Master Fogaban
Can a slave refer to me as Master Builder?
Or, better yet, is it "wrong" to address me as Master Fogaban?
We'll reason on this.
I received this question:
"Slaves are not allowed to say the Free's title together with Master/Mistress;
For example: Master Ubar, would be considered unacceptable.
Where in the books verifies this statement?""
This is actually a pet peeve of mine and so I decided to give this topic its own place in the Main Menu.
The question includes this statement: "Slaves are not allowed to say the Free's title together with Master/Mistress".
No, there is no quote to back this up.
But that's because Master/Mistress already is a title.
So, first, we will establish that "Master" is indeed a title.
As she moved slowly before me, she asked softly, "Do I please you, Master?" There had been no scorn, no irony in her voice.
"Yes," I said, not thinking to repudiate the title by which she had addressed me.
Tarnsman of Gor Book 1 Page 134
"Considering your future status," said my master, "you may begin now to address free men by the title of 'Master.'
Slave Girl of Gor Book 11 Page 151
"Yes, Master," she said.
. . .
But even this innocent title, doing little more than recognizing the place of his maleness in the order of primate nature, and surely a suitable expression on the lips of a female slave, such as she now was, alarmed him.
Kajira of Gor Book 19 Page 357
"Please no, Master!" she suddenly cried.
I was pleased to note that she, as she was a slave, had now recollected to address free men by the title of 'Master'.
Magicians of Gor Book 25 Page 122
Other titles are also used throughout the books.
"What is it, Ubar, that you hold dearest - your city or your title?
Tarnsman of Gor Book 1 Page 172
"Tal, Warriors!" I responded, raising my arm, addressing them all by the title of my caste, for I knew that in their common cause each was a warrior.
Outlaw of Gor Book 2 Page 224
"Welcome, Killer," said the man, addressing the Assassin by what, for that caste, is a title of respect.
Assassin of Gor Book 5 Page 14
The "Tarsk," the pit master, or, to use his more exact title, the depth warden, was still at the table.
Witness of Gor Book 26 Page 302
But the leader, as he was that, and we shall call him Archon, to utilize a Gorean title for a variety of civic officials, removed the sheath and dagger from the remains of the Kur harness he wore and handed it to Cabot.
Kur of Gor Book 28 Page 180
"I have chosen my name," she said. "I call myself 'Ubara'."
"That is not a name," he said. "It is a title."
Kur of Gor Book 28 Page 267
I recalled she had earlier referred to the Lady Bina, but had omitted her title, as "Lady." That title is given only to free women, . . .
Swordsmen of Gor Book 29 Page 16
"The slave is female," came from the translator, mechanically, unemotionally, a placidity quite at odds with the roiling, tensed power that seemed to rise now like lava within that immense, living frame, "the price was twenty tarsks, and the buyer is by name Bina, and by title the Lady Bina."
Conspirators of Gor Book 31 Page 191
To show caste names are also titles, there is this quote.
To be sure, certain skills tend to be associated traditionally with certain castes, a fact which is clearly indicated in caste titles, such as the Leatherworkers, the Metalworkers, the Singers, and the Peasants.
Fighting Slave of Gor Book 14 Page 209
I am of the Caste of Builders. Some girls want to refer to me as Master Builder.
I suppose I am a good builder but I don't know if I'm a master builder.
But to refer to me as Master Builder is to use two titles and just poor grammar.
And then, to show that slaves actually did use names and titles at the same time, there are these quotes.
He is addressed as, or responded to, as "Master" or "my Master." If Hassan survived, he would, I suspected, well beat her for this lapse. Some masters, it might be noted, however, permit the girl to speak their name, if it is accompanied by an acknowledgment of title, as in, say, "Hassan, Master," or "Hassan, my Master."
Tribesmen of Gor Book 10 Page 183
The following account is written at the command of my master, Bosk of Port Kar, the great merchant, and, I think, once of the warriors.
Captive of Gor Book 7 Page 1
I had even learned to kneel when addressed by the guards and, of course, always, when approached by Targo, my master. A Gorean slave, incidentally, always addresses free men as "Master," and all free women as "Mistress."
Captive of Gor Book 7 Page 73
Verna wore no collar. In her belt she carried a sleen knife. Rask of Treve, my master, stood near her.
Captive of Gor Book 7 Page 296
It is also proper for a slave to use a name to differentiate one master from another.
"If you are washed and readied," said a young thrall, collared, in a kirtle of white wool, "it is permissible to present yourselves before the high seat of the house, before my master, Svein Blue Tooth, Jarl of Torvaldsland."
Marauders of Gor Book 9 Page 194
He is addressed as, or responded to, as "Master" or "my Master." If Hassan survived, he would, I suspected, well beat her for this lapse. Some masters, it might be noted, however, permit the girl to speak their name, if it is accompanied by an acknowledgment of title, as in, say, "Hassan, Master," or "Hassan, my Master."
Tribesmen of Gor Book 10 Page 183
Clitus Vitellius, my master, was a captain of Ar.
Slave Girl of Gor Book 11 Page 146
Sometimes now, like certain other girls, I was permitted to wander forth, before the busy hours of the tavern, to solicit patronage for its proprietor, my master, Aurelion of Cos.
Slave Girl of Gor Book 11 Page 340
"I am owned," she said.
I did not speak. I was frightened.
"My Master is Ligurious, of the city of Corcyrus," she said.
Kajira of Gor Book 19 Page 52
In this quote, two men talking. Poalu differentiates one master from the other by using his name along with the proper title.
"After I sleep," I said, "I will leave for the north."
"I will accompany you," he said.
"But the tabuk are not yet fat," I said.
"It is not my fault they came late to the tundra," said Imnak. He stuck his head outside of the tent.
"Poalu," he called. "After we sleep, we are going north."
"It is not time to go north," she cried, horrified.
"I know it is crazy," said Imnak, "but we are going to do it."
"Yes, Imnak," she said, "my master."
Beasts of Gor Book 12 Pages 256 - 257
In this quote, the slave is speaking to one master, Bila Huruma and referring to her own master, Kisu.
"Tende of Ukungu was said to have been proud and cold."
"Your reports were not mistaken, Master," she said. "They were correct. Tende of Ukungu was a proud, cold woman."
"But you are not she," he said.
"No, Master," she said. "I am now only Tende, the slave of Kisu, my master."
Explorers of Gor Book 13 Page 426
Here are more quotes where a slave differentiates one master from the other by using his name, again also using the proper title.
"You merely fear the whip," I smiled.
"I do fear the whip," she said, "and I know that it will be well laid upon me at the merest suspicion on the part of Tasdron, my Master, that a customer may not have been fully pleased, but even if it were not for the whip, I know I could not help but respond to you as a vulnerable and spasmodic slave."
Rogue of Gor Book 15 Page 164
I withdrew from her, and stood, and looked down upon her.
"Do not leave me, Master," she begged. "Take me with you. You have made me yours, my Gorean master. I am yours. Take me with you. Policrates, my master, would give me to you, if you should but ask!"
Rogue of Gor Book 15 Page 223
"If it were not for you," she said, "I might never have come into the possession of my master, Miles of Vonda."
Rogue of Gor Book 15 Page 242
"How were you taken?" asked Kliomenes.
"By force, Master," she said. "My Master, Miles of Vonda took ship from Victoria, in the Flower of Siba."
Rogue of Gor Book 15 Page 299
"Are you available to the crew?" I asked.
"Only if I do not sufficiently please Reginald, my master," she said.
Guardsman of Gor Book 16 Page 62
Slave girls, of course, may speak the name of their masters to others, for example, as in locutions such as, "I am the girl of Calliodorus of Port Cos," or "I come from the house of Calliodorus." It is only that they are seldom, in addressing the master himself, permitted to use his name. He is usually addressed simply as "Master," or as "my Master."
Guardsmen of Gor Book 16 Page 270
I smiled to myself. Both kaiila, one given to him by his brother, Canka, and the black kaiila, which had been mine, put at my disposal, with the permission of Canka, my master, by my friend, Grunt, the trader, were picketed but a few feet from the threshold of the lodge.
Blood Brothers of Gor Book 18 Page 47
"No, Master," said Phoebe. "I am not trained, save in so far as you, and before you, Master Tarl, have deigned to impart some understandings to me."
Magicians of Gor Book 25 Page 28
Ellen was now much on her guard. Had it been a trap? A slave girl does not address a free person by their name, but will use the expressions 'Master' or 'Mistress', or, sometimes, if referring to one's owner, 'my Master' or 'my Mistress.' Similarly, in referring to a free person, one would commonly use expressions such as 'Master Publius', 'Mistress Publia', and so on. If asked, say, her master, the slave might respond, 'My master is Selius Arconious, of Ar', or such.
Prize of Gor Book 27 Page 685
"Slave."
"Yes, Master?"
"What is your name?"
"Margaret, Master."
"Who is your master?"
"Rutilius, Rutilius of Venna, Master."
Kur of Gor Book 28 Pages 90 - 91
I will grant that the following quote says a girl is to use only his title. And, in the majority of cases, this is true. But it never says use two titles back-to-back.
"I mean -" she said, "I love you - Master."
I smiled at Vika's very natural correction of her mode of addressing me, for a slave girl is seldom permitted, at least publicly, to address her master by his name, only his title.
Priest-Kings of Gor Book 3 Page 206
This quote, again, emphases that Ubara is a title.
"I have chosen my name," she said. "I call myself 'Ubara'."
"That is not a name," he said. "It is a title."
Kur of Gor Book 28 Page 267
You would not say Mistress Ubara or Lady Mistress. That would be using two titles.
It would be like calling a cop "Officer, Policeman" or saying something similarly silly like "Your Honor, Judge" or calling someone "Mr. Sir".
It becomes a simple matter of proper grammar.
You do not use two titles at the same time to address someone.
If you need to address one master in a group of masters, then use his name, along with his title.
Don't refer to me as Master Builder.
It is completely "by the book" to refer to me as Master Fogaban.
The final analysis is this.
As the Owner, you can instruct your slave to address the Free in any manner you wish.
That is your right.
But you cannot instruct your slave to use two titles and say the this is "proper" or "by the book". Because it isn't.
I wish you well,
Fogaban
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